AMD vs Intel: Which has better SRCDS preformance?

[hardnrg]

i run my opteron rig with a waterblock on the cpu (and both gpus)... i don't have a need to run my computer without heatsink/waterblocks, kinda like how i like to have tyres on my vehicles. i *could* run them without rubber on the wheels but it would be stupid and almost certainly damage the rims beyond repair, so i don't

anyway... my AMD opteron rig has steel toe caps

for the thread owner... heard of Conroe? intel AND amd are both good for games now...

also ATi and nVidia both make gaming cards... i'm not sure how you failed to miss this, hmmm... oh and i think ATi Crossfire is possibly the highest performing gaming gpu solution currently... you can look on service.futuremark.com for a rough indication

the thing about ATi having more graphics memory to "store stuff" for video editing is totally false... almost the entire graphics memory is to store textures for 3d graphics (ie. games)... you don't need texture memory for video editing, you could get away with a 32MB (or lower!) pci graphics card for video alone

[cryotek]

Conroe is NOTHING compares to the K8L. Google it.

K8L makes conroe look like a p75.

c4S-Sean Wrote:Come back in about 20 years and you'll be laughing at the above post

How about we all laugh now? Did you know that IBM has developed a CPU that clocks at over 500GHz? Even better, without the cooling method they used(to be hoenst, the second method used no cooling at all.) it still runs at i belive 300GHz.

[Andrewr05]

cryotek Wrote:Did you know that IBM has developed a CPU that clocks at over 500GHz?

No, I didnt know that?

But I do know that it actually was a discrete transistor, not a processor or even a simple circuit. The 500GHz refered to fT ("f sub T")not to a clock speed.
Those devices are to be used either in RF(radio-frequency) applications (which is the source of mentioning 2GHz cell phones) or in high-speed serial links including transceivers for fiber-optic links...

and btw way your even your wrong information is wrong...
they never ran it without any cooling, them running it at "room temperature" doesnt infer that they used no cooling at all...

[hardnrg]

K8L isn't out so why do you even mention it? the thread owner was asking about relative amd/intel performance, not performance of technology that doesn't exist, and the IBM 500GHz experiment wasn't anything near a whole cpu... so i don't think anyone is laughing

[cryotek]

Andrewr05 Wrote:

cryotek Wrote:Did you know that IBM has developed a CPU that clocks at over 500GHz?

No, I didnt know that?

But I do know that it actually was a discrete transistor, not a processor or even a simple circuit. The 500GHz refered to fT ("f sub T")not to a clock speed.
Those devices are to be used either in RF(radio-frequency) applications (which is the source of mentioning 2GHz cell phones) or in high-speed serial links including transceivers for fiber-optic links...

and btw way your even your wrong information is wrong...
they never ran it without any cooling, them running it at "room temperature" doesnt infer that they used no cooling at all...

Yes, I miswrote that sue me, i came off my normal 18 hour shift before checking on the boards and list to pm complaints about users. However, reguardless if the chip they made was to act as a tranistor, doesn't mean that manufacturers like AMD can't move from SOI to SiGe to gain a significant increase in clock speeds.

hardnrg Wrote:K8L isn't out so why do you even mention it? the thread owner was asking about relative amd/intel performance, not performance of technology that doesn't exist, and the IBM 500GHz experiment wasn't anything near a whole cpu... so i don't think anyone is laughing

I mentioned the K8L because you mentioned the conroe. Why mention that? yes, conroe can be used as a server platform but intel's main intentions were for desktop use. for a server, and he mentioned both platforms, one should stick to opteron or xeons.as far as the laughing part, its called sarcasm. And before you come back with so why mention K8L it was a counter against the conroe. Don't like it? deal with it.

And why are you adding to the fire on graphics cards? your post is ALSO irrelevant to the thread owners topic. He was asking about performance for running srcds servers, not playing on them Gaming wise.

[ClayMeow]

cryotek Wrote:And why are you adding to the fire on graphics cards? your post is ALSO irrelevant to the thread owners topic. He was asking about performance for running srcds servers, not playing on them Gaming wise.

The reason why we've been talking about graphics cards in addition to processors is because Drocona has been providing inaccurate information on both accounts, and pointing out those inaccuracies discredits him as a source of technical information. The fact of the matter is that not all gamers are knowledgeable when it comes to computers (in fact, most aren't), and he's obviously one of them, so he should stick to something he knows, and not spew utter crap. We're merely helping your other members not get sucked into his lies.

Now as for K8L, I agree that most likely it'll "beat" Conroe, at least in gaming, seeing as in gaming Conroe is only marginally ahead of AMD's current high-end chips. However, I'd like you to show me where anything has stated that "Conroe is NOTHING compares to the K8L." or "K8L makes conroe look like a p75." You say "Google it" so you must have some evidence of this. I've yet to see any benches for K8L, so I'd take the advice I'm giving Drocona, and not give out inaccurate information. If you feel K8L will spank Conroe, like I do, make sure you're clear that that's merely your OPINION, and don't act like there's actual proof.

[Drocona]

Ok this is the last post i'm adding to this, it's a lost cause.

if YOU think i'm giving false information keep it to yourself and keep thinking that. I've been into computers for a long time and I'm more server administrator and stuff like that than a gamer so.. think whatever you like, if you think it's wrong that's your problem.

I'm only helping here on these forums, I tell other people my experiences and only tested stuff, not just some crap I make up this very minute.

Think whatever you want, just don't bring other people into confusion. Deal with it if you don't feel like it's correct, test it yourself I don't know. But don't go flaming others because you might think you know better and jerk off other people.

[ClayMeow]

Drocona Wrote:Ok this is the last post i'm adding to this, it's a lost cause.

if YOU think i'm giving false information keep it to yourself and keep thinking that. I've been into computers for a long time and I'm more server administrator and stuff like that than a gamer so.. think whatever you like, if you think it's wrong that's your problem.

I'm only helping here on these forums, I tell other people my experiences and only tested stuff, not just some crap I make up this very minute.

Think whatever you want, just don't bring other people into confusion. Deal with it if you don't feel like it's correct, test it yourself I don't know. But don't go flaming others because you might think you know better and jerk off other people.

You can always tell when someone's realized they've completely lost an argument because they 1)get really defensive and 2) resort to flaming. If you're calling yourself a "server administrator" because you set up a source server (which is most likely the case since you say you're "more server administrator and stuff like that" rather than say you actually are one), why don't you try putting that on a resume and see what happens. Unlike your bogus credentials, I have real ones. I'm a network administrator...that's my PROFESSION, not some hobby. I get paid for it because I know what I'm doing and I know my stuff.

No we're not going to just "keep it to ourself" that you're providing false information because, as I stated before, we're trying to prevent others from making the mistake of believing you. If I post that you can get a pci-e card to fit in a agp slot if you do a little cutting, are you not going to inform others of that I'm talking out of my ass? That's what you're doing, so sorry for looking out for the other members here.

[jackaL]

Ok. Im Sorry but I HAVE to get into this. Clay Meow, How long have you been on these forums? Posts: 6 = Not very long. Drocona has been here WAY Longer. Posts: 448 = Longer. Why do ALL the newest members start flame wars with the people who've been here longer. It is really amazing how they are immature and have to argue to get what they want. I know, Im 14 years old. This is supposed to be a FRIENDLY forum where people get info on "SRCDS" issues. Not a GIANT FLAME WAR FORUM. If you'll want to flame so bad, Make your own forums and name it " LMAOS FLAME WARS". Sorry I had to get into this.


Jackal

[sdy284]

jackaL Wrote:Ok. Im Sorry but I HAVE to get into this. Clay Meow, How long have you been on these forums? Posts: 6 = Not very long. Drocona has been here WAY Longer. Posts: 448 = Longer. Why do ALL the newest members start flame wars with the people who've been here longer. It is really amazing how they are immature and have to argue to get what they want. I know, Im 14 years old. This is supposed to be a FRIENDLY forum where people get info on "SRCDS" issues. Not a GIANT FLAME WAR FORUM. If you'll want to flame so bad, Make your own forums and name it " LMAOS FLAME WARS". Sorry I had to get into this.


Jackal

Just because his post count is small doesn't mean he isn't knowledgeable

post count doesn't increase your intelligence

and if he has 200 posts then it'd be ok to start a flame war?

[jackaL]

Im saying why do all the new members start flame wars?


Jackal

[ClayMeow]

sdy284 Wrote:post count doesn't increase your intelligence

lol, QFT!

Jackal, I came to this site to find some info about a cs:s server. When I saw the BS that hex was posting, I felt I had to correct him. That's the reason I joined. Then Drocona just added to the BS. I also think I've done a pretty good job avoiding flaming and rather focusing on providing factually correct information.

[cryotek]

If you wanna consider the fact that the K8L will sport 4 cores instead of 2, a faster HyperTransport link of 5.2GT/sec compared to amd64's current 2GT/sec Not to mention the fact the K8L finally goes 65nm. The L2 cache will be about 128KB or something like that but it'll have a shared L3 cache with a minimum of 2MB and i think can do about 12MB.
heres a nice little preview http://www.realworldtech.com/includes/images/articles/K8L-preview-1.png

What would have done well against the K8L from intel, i belive was either scrapped or pushed till 2008.

ClayMeow Wrote:

cryotek Wrote:And why are you adding to the fire on graphics cards? your post is ALSO irrelevant to the thread owners topic. He was asking about performance for running srcds servers, not playing on them Gaming wise.

The reason why we've been talking about graphics cards in addition to processors is because Drocona has been providing inaccurate information on both accounts, and pointing out those inaccuracies discredits him as a source of technical information. The fact of the matter is that not all gamers are knowledgeable when it comes to computers (in fact, most aren't), and he's obviously one of them, so he should stick to something he knows, and not spew utter crap. We're merely helping your other members not get sucked into his lies.

Now as for K8L, I agree that most likely it'll "beat" Conroe, at least in gaming, seeing as in gaming Conroe is only marginally ahead of AMD's current high-end chips. However, I'd like you to show me where anything has stated that "Conroe is NOTHING compares to the K8L." or "K8L makes conroe look like a p75." You say "Google it" so you must have some evidence of this. I've yet to see any benches for K8L, so I'd take the advice I'm giving Drocona, and not give out inaccurate information. If you feel K8L will spank Conroe, like I do, make sure you're clear that that's merely your OPINION, and don't act like there's actual proof.

[bigdaddy25fb]

cryotek Wrote:If you wanna consider the fact that the K8L will sport 4 cores instead of 2, a faster HyperTransport link of 5.2GT/sec compared to amd64's current 2GT/sec Not to mention the fact the K8L finally goes 65nm. The L2 cache will be about 128KB or something like that but it'll have a shared L3 cache with a minimum of 2MB and i think can do about 12MB.
heres a nice little preview http://www.realworldtech.com/includes/images/articles/K8L-preview-1.png

What would have done well against the K8L from intel, i belive was either scrapped or pushed till 2008.

ClayMeow Wrote:

cryotek Wrote:And why are you adding to the fire on graphics cards? your post is ALSO irrelevant to the thread owners topic. He was asking about performance for running srcds servers, not playing on them Gaming wise.

The reason why we've been talking about graphics cards in addition to processors is because Drocona has been providing inaccurate information on both accounts, and pointing out those inaccuracies discredits him as a source of technical information. The fact of the matter is that not all gamers are knowledgeable when it comes to computers (in fact, most aren't), and he's obviously one of them, so he should stick to something he knows, and not spew utter crap. We're merely helping your other members not get sucked into his lies.

Now as for K8L, I agree that most likely it'll "beat" Conroe, at least in gaming, seeing as in gaming Conroe is only marginally ahead of AMD's current high-end chips. However, I'd like you to show me where anything has stated that "Conroe is NOTHING compares to the K8L." or "K8L makes conroe look like a p75." You say "Google it" so you must have some evidence of this. I've yet to see any benches for K8L, so I'd take the advice I'm giving Drocona, and not give out inaccurate information. If you feel K8L will spank Conroe, like I do, make sure you're clear that that's merely your OPINION, and don't act like there's actual proof.

Intel doesn't have an answer to K8L? Seeing as K8L will put AMD on level ground with Intel finally really doesn't mean squat. Intel will have Kentsfield which is guess what.....4 cores (2 conroes on one Die). Quit posting garbage, as we have yet to see what K8L can do and there are already Kentsfields in the wild. Head on over to http://www.xtremesystems.org and go to the forums. Becareful though, your heads might explode from information overload or the use of large words or somebody there may not be as nice to you for spewing utter crap.

[cryotek]

I've already heard about kentsfield. Big deal.

If you don't like what i have to say about intel being useless crap, then you can just be on your way.

But if you're going to just join here to flame, then i'll remove you straight away.