AMD vs Intel: Which has better SRCDS preformance?

[Drocona]

It's a fact that you can run an intel without a cooler without it crashing or stuff like that, the processor will stay intact and will keep running (newer processors have auto shutdown modules, tested this with my PIV 3,0GHz without cooler, it went up to 80 degrees celcius and shutdown.) This proc still runs perfectly fine, if it was an AMD proc it would've cost me a new proc.
Intel runs with 1-10 FPS ingame when you pull the cooler off, it will keep running.

Who cares about power usage? I don't, I care about performance.
Easiest way to put it:
Intel: Desktop processes
AMD: Heavy processes/games

I think these processors are not to be compared, they were built different and built to do different things.

It's the same as nVIDIA vs. ATI:
nVIDIA: High clockspeeds. Aimed at gaming and applications that need fast thinking and memory swaps.
ATI: low clockspeeds, more RAM. Aimed at video editing where high clockspeeds are not necessary but where high amounts of memory are needed to store stuff.

All in all it's an endless battle untill we come to the one and final point:
Both are the best, it just depends on what you like and how you use it. Users choice

[sdy284]

Drocona Wrote:It's a fact that you can run an intel without a cooler without it crashing or stuff like that, the processor will stay intact and will keep running (newer processors have auto shutdown modules, tested this with my PIV 3,0GHz without cooler, it went up to 80 degrees celcius and shutdown.) This proc still runs perfectly fine, if it was an AMD proc it would've cost me a new proc.
Intel runs with 1-10 FPS ingame when you pull the cooler off, it will keep running.

Who cares about power usage? I don't, I care about preformance.
Easiest way to put it:
Intel: Desktop processes
AMD: Heavy processes/games

I think these processors are not to be compared, they were built different and built to do different things.

Pretty much every new, modern motherboard has this amazing "feature" built into it. As soon as the processor gets to hot...it shuts down (this includes AMD motherboards believe it or not)

And you talk about not caring about power usage....who cares if the CPU will run with no cooler & deliver 1-10 fps????

And like i said, power usage = heat. and if you're a computer user who doesn't care about heat, then shame on you.

Also, if you dont think AMD & intel should be compared against each other...who should they be compared to...Via? Cyrix? lol

and its performance...not preformance

[Drocona]

sdy284 Wrote:Pretty much every new, modern motherboard has this amazing "feature" built into it. As soon as the processor gets to hot...it shuts down (this includes AMD motherboards believe it or not)

And you talk about not caring about power usage....who cares if the CPU will run with no cooler & deliver 1-10 fps????

And like i said, power usage = heat. and if you're a computer user who doesn't care about heat, then shame on you.

Also, if you dont think AMD & intel should be compared against each other...who should they be compared to...Via? Cyrix? lol

and its performance...not preformance

I never said I like running my CPU without cooler, I said I do not care about the power usage, as long as it does the job it's fine by me, I have a good cooler so heat is not my problem.

I'm the kindof guy that wants to run the best stuff affordable, if I overclock my stuff and it's too hot, I get a new cooler. I really do not care how much power it uses. If it runs better thats cool.

With comparing I mean you'll never come to a good conclusion anyways. As I said, they are built to do different things, they werent built to do the same thing. It's only a matter of like and dislike. If I had better performance with an AMD I would be an AMD user too, until now I always had better results with Intel. Tho I think in my new server there will be an AMD.

lol I make typo's just like everyone else, I type like a crazy guy.

[lego]

Drocona Wrote:It's a fact that you can run an intel without a cooler without it crashing or stuff like that.

It's the same as nVIDIA vs. ATI:
nVIDIA: High clockspeeds. Aimed at gaming and applications that need fast thinking and memory swaps.
ATI: low clockspeeds, more RAM. Aimed at video editing where high clockspeeds are not necessary but where high amounts of memory are needed to store stuff.

You, sir, are a jackass.

So, you call a forced shutdown from overheating 'not a crash'?

And that nVidia vs ATi thing is quite possibly the most stupid thing I have heard all day... that is unless I've misunderstood the whole concept behind nVidia Quadro cards and the ATi x1900 series :p

[Drocona]

lego Wrote:You, sir, are a jackass.

So, you call a forced shutdown from overheating 'not a crash'?

And that nVidia vs ATi thing is quite possibly the most stupid thing I have heard all day... that is unless I've misunderstood the whole concept behind nVidia Quadro cards and the ATi x1900 series :p

I can run a Pentium without cooler without it shutting down or crashing, tho it would be useless because I would have 1-10FPS on games and stuff, it will be slow as a rabbit with a broken leg.
IT WILL NOT BREAK OR CRASH IN ANY WAY.

What is it you don't understands about ati and nvidia? All i'm saying here are facts you can lookup. It is known that nvidia has and probably always will have higher clockspeeds. Ati has and probably always will have the highest amount of memory.

[ClayMeow]

lego Wrote:It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt.

QFT.

Drocona Wrote:It's the same as nVIDIA vs. ATI:
nVIDIA: High clockspeeds. Aimed at gaming and applications that need fast thinking and memory swaps.
ATI: low clockspeeds, more RAM. Aimed at video editing where high clockspeeds are not necessary but where high amounts of memory are needed to store stuff.

Where exactly do you get your info from? FYI, a Wheaties box isn't a viable source for technical information.

[Drocona]

uhm did you every look at the specifications of graphics cards? Did you ever look at the speeds and amount of memory they run when they are in your system... really, taking a look explains all.

[sdy284]

Drocona Wrote:I can run a Pentium without cooler without it shutting down or crashing

Drocona Wrote:(newer processors have auto shutdown modules, tested this with my PIV 3,0GHz without cooler, it went up to 80 degrees celcius and shutdown.)

You seem to be contradicting yourself there buddy
First you said that it wont shut down or crash
and then you said that it would get up to 80°C then shutdown
which is it
(and again, this shutdown process has nothing to do with the CPU and everything to do with the motherboard)

and how can you consider the processor causing the game to run at 1-10 fps NOT a crash

Drocona Wrote:It is known that nvidia has and probably always will have higher clockspeeds.

Ati has and probably always will have the highest amount of memory.

allll righty, lets take a gander @ the top cards from each, shall we?

SAPPHIRE X1900XTX 512MB
Core clock 675MHz
Memory Clock 1600MHz
Memory Size 512MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102018

XFX Geforce 7950GX2 1GB 512-bit
Core clock 520MHz
Memory Clock 1300MHz
Memory Size 1GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150160

XFX GeForce 7900 GTX
Core clock 650MHz
Memory Clock 1600MHz
Memory Size 512MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150143

These figures show show the exact opposite of what you say....whodathunkit?

[ClayMeow]

Drocona Wrote:uhm did you every look at the specifications of graphics cards? Did you ever look at the speeds and amount of memory they run when they are in your system... really, taking a look explains all.

uhm, have you?

[sdy284]

Drocona Wrote:uhm did you every look at the specifications of graphics cards? Did you ever look at the speeds and amount of memory they run when they are in your system... really, taking a look explains all.

take a look at my post then

[Drocona]

I never said that I was talking about the same CPU?
you're mixing up stuff yourself.

a crash is something that stops running and is unable to continue, having 1-10 FPS is the same result as using a Pentium3 600MHz on CS: Source it's still running and you can still play, altho it is laggy.

Do you know that Ati tries to be better than nvidia and the other way around? Same as with every product on the market. Also Nvidia has dual GPU's which wipes Ati's slow ass cards with ease.

[Hollanda]

All useless posts, especially the ATI/Nvidia stuff. Plz keep this topic clean, thx.

[Drocona]

Ineed, I was trying to clear stuff up they start bs'ing me with offtopic stuff, get back to the proc with best SRCDS performance

[sdy284]

Drocona Wrote:I never said that I was talking about the same CPU?
you're mixing up stuff yourself.

No i'm not mixing my self up, i'm going by exactly what you're saying. What you're doing is generalizing. Sure a P3 will probably run without its cooler. But will a P4? hell no, it'll shutdown

Drocona Wrote:Ineed, I was trying to clear stuff up they start bs'ing me with offtopic stuff, get back to the proc with best SRCDS performance

and i'm trying to provide the correct information to people who may not know any better

[ClayMeow]

Drocona Wrote:Ineed, I was trying to clear stuff up they start bs'ing me with offtopic stuff, get back to the proc with best SRCDS performance

If your definition of "to clear stuff up" is to post factually incorrect information, then you're correct, and you did a bang up job.

Your method of testing the overheating capabilities of a pentium is flawed because they have a built-in function to throttle down the clock speed when it rises in temperature. This is why you'd experience 1-10FPS, because it's no longer even trying to run at its usual clockspeed. Why do they have this feature? No, it's not for idiots like yourself to run meaningless tests with no heatsink, it's because it's a known fact that they produced way too much heat (and much more heat than equivalent AMD processors). Therefore, they added this feature so that when someone's running a Pentium with a poorly cooled system (not no heatsink at all), it wouldn't fry the chip. AMD doesn't have this feature. Why? Because they DON'T NEED IT! Athlons never got as hot as their Pentium equivalents.

If you're trying to argue which gets hotter, you put them both at idle and full load using the same exact heatsink, you don't remove a heatsink completely. The only way you can do the latter and have an effective test is if you hack the Pentium to disable that throttle-down feature, and unless you're an electrical engineer (which I highly doubt you are based on your lack of technical knowledge), good luck with that.

So maybe you should take your own advice and actually do some research first before posting complete BS.

That concludes Processors 101. Thanks, and have a nice day.