ISP question

[The Captain]

I currently have Fios 10/2 residential and was going to upgrade to 20/20 residential for $20 more a month. I recently discovered that Verizon is blocking ports for HL2 games now, (27000-?) 27015 and 27016 included. The guy said that I would have to upgrade to business and the 20/20 plan for that costs $179 a month! I don't know about you, but that price is outrageous considering what I need to use it for. He said that game server hosting was a "Business Application", that's retarded. If anyone knows anything cheaper that has a connection of at least 10/10mbps and does not block ports, let me know. Also if anyone knows a way around this issue, let me know as well. Please don't tell me to rent a game server though. Also if you need to know as far as ISP choices, I live in the U.S. in the state of Indiana. Thanks!

[pengy]

I dont think that verizon blocks srcds ports, i ran it fine, all verizon blocks is the http ports and some others but not srcds

[The Captain]

The Captain Wrote:

pengy Wrote:I dont think that verizon blocks srcds ports, i ran it fine, all verizon blocks is the http ports and some others but not srcds

Yeah I just checked on my srcds server, and it turns out I was typing in the wrong ip for my ports. They are blocking port 27015 so I am using 27016 instead. Probably against the TOS at any rate.

[pengy]

Not really I ran an srcds server fine on fios for a while

[nextgi]

I don't really know why you would want to in the first place.

Verizon has all the right in the world to do that. Because they are selling you a personal connection and "Hosting" of ANY kind is considered business. So, if they block ports that is expected. I mean, we do it to our customers with personal packages. It makes complete sense because we are providing a person experience not something you can just host stuff on willy nilly.

Anyway, there is currently no other provider in the United States that offers FIoS (At least not licensed from verizon). So will most likely not find those speed unless your lucky with a cable provider like Cox, Comcast, or Charter.

[CGS|Todd]

nextgi Wrote:Anyway, there is currently no other provider in the United States that offers FIoS (At least not licensed from verizon). So will most likely not find those speed unless your lucky with a cable provider like Cox, Comcast, or Charter.

technically, fios is a brand, not a technology. its not something for verizon to license. the technology is industry standard bpon/gpon.

there are plenty of fiber distribution systems around the country utilizing gpon/bpon. most are localized to particular communities and/or areas. its not generally available like cable or dsl, but it is out there in force.

[Beaverbeliever]

What a lot of people don't get is the fact that Fiber is *not that much better* than copper. The only difference is that it can go farther without a repeater, and the fact that it is immune to RMI/EMI interference. Copper and fiber transmit data at generally the same speed, but when you are talking about a fiber under the ocean to Austrailia, thats another story

Also people think that Copper can't hold very much. Well, this is true, when its compared to Fiber, but copper can still hold 50+mbps (or so i was told).

I am not trying to sit here and babble, but just because Verizon offers FiOS, doesn't mean that its a whole bunch faster. It just means your using fiber There are several other connections you can get from ISP's that are copper, and will have equal to greater speed than Verizon FiOS.

[CGS|Todd]

Beaverbeliever Wrote:What a lot of people don't get is the fact that Fiber is *not that much better* than copper. The only difference is that it can go farther without a repeater, and the fact that it is immune to RMI/EMI interference.

that is flat-out, completely wrong. fiber transmits data so much faster than copper that its not even funny. add cwdm/dwdm into the mix and you can cram even more on to a pair of fibers. there is no consumer copper service that can offer comparable performance to fiber.

[Beaverbeliever]

CGS|Todd Wrote:fiber transmits data so much faster than copper that its not even funny.

No they both travel at the speed of light, but the bandwidth that can travel over Fiber is waaay higher due to the fact that it has multiple channels. Technically, they both use the speed of light, so if your saying there is more than 1 speed of light, your wrong. By the way, you are talking to a Cisco CCNA student talking to my teacher about this now

[nextgi]

CGS|Todd Wrote:

nextgi Wrote:Anyway, there is currently no other provider in the United States that offers FIoS (At least not licensed from verizon). So will most likely not find those speed unless your lucky with a cable provider like Cox, Comcast, or Charter.

technically, fios is a brand, not a technology. its not something for verizon to license. the technology is industry standard bpon/gpon.

there are plenty of fiber distribution systems around the country utilizing gpon/bpon. most are localized to particular communities and/or areas. its not generally available like cable or dsl, but it is out there in force.

Actually, FIoS is licensable. You are also right though, there are many out there XMISSION for example, a Utah based provider.

What i was going after in my licensing statement was the "White Label" side of ISPs.

One quick note to both of you. Coper connections are much slower no matter how you see it. Reason being, friction. Electricity slows along the travel of copper MUCH faster then fiber, i mean MUCH MUCH faster. Other then that they travel the same (~186,000 MPS). As for Light and fiber, many channels per one fiber, 111GBS is as fast as one fiber, one channel can go.

[CGS|Todd]

Beaverbeliever Wrote:No they both travel at the speed of light, but the bandwidth that can travel over Fiber is waaay higher due to the fact that it has multiple channels. Technically, they both use the speed of light, so if your saying there is more than 1 speed of light, your wrong. By the way, you are talking to a Cisco CCNA student talking to my teacher about this now

you are talking to a telco engineer who works with these technologies for a living . . . that's mis-leading information you've been given. it applies to the velocity of propagation, not bandwidth (I meant "faster" in terms of bandwidth, that may have not been clear). *edit* nm, i did not read closely enough.

[nextgi]

Let's play nice now. Jeez, lol.

[CGS|Todd]

nextgi Wrote:Actually, FIoS is licensable . . . What i was going after in my licensing statement was the "White Label" side of ISPs.

are you sure about that? i'm not in verizon territory, so i don't know for sure -- but i've never heard of that. i'm an engineer in the telco industry and white-labeling is getting pretty rare unless mandated by the PUC. all it does is drain profit from the lec.

nextgi Wrote:Electricity slows along the travel of copper MUCH faster then fiber, i mean MUCH MUCH faster. Other then that they travel the same (~186,000 MPS).

its not electricity itself that flows at that speed, its the electromagnetic wave which actually carries the data.

[CGS|Todd]

nextgi Wrote:Let's play nice now. Jeez, lol.

just stating the facts . . . but really this discussion is more about bandwidth than the time domain. i want to make that clear, it seems like we are drifting off on the topic of propagation.

[nextgi]

First off, i wasn't wrong, lol.

I was being lazy to type, as you can see.

Second,
It is available in white label just like everything else in the ISP industry. Kayoko (I think that's how it is spelled), V-ISP, FastHost, and many many more. All of them either provide their own services or buy bulk.